I recently read a post from the mormonmissionblog that reported a recent article in the Washington Post (I coincidentally work for them) on the challenges the LDS church faces. In the article it discusses the decline in the number of converts to the LDS faith (a decline of 8% to 3%), the poor retention rate of LDS converts (One in three stays active), and the rise in converts to other faiths such as Seventh-Day Adventists and other Evangelical faiths.
This causes me to ask a few questions:
1. Are the numbers accurate that the conversions have fallen from 8%-3%?
2. What can be done to increase retention?
3. Why are people going to other churches
4. How should the LDS church feel about people are converting to other christian churches?
I will address these issues in a series of posts. The first is addressed below:
Are the Numbers Accurate?
I’m not sure where they got the numbers from, but according to the LDS Newsroom, the conversions continue to be very strong at around 800 members per day as announced in this video by Elder Ballard. Further graphs of church growth can be found here.
As shown in the graph it appears the church’s growth has exploded in the past 10 years rather than tapered. The article does mention that the church has “tighter recruiting standards” now, which could lead to lower conversion rates. I do know that when I was on my mission in 1996 there were around 50,000 full-time missionaries and today there are about the same.
Overall, I would say that the church shouldn’t worry about not having enough converts with a growth rate of 800 per day.
The question is how accurate is the Washington Posts statistical information? Does anyone know? (Maybe a more important question is does it even matter? : )
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February 11, 2008 at 4:14 am
Stephen M (Ethesis)
The real indicator is in the number of wards and stakes. How have those numbers gone?
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February 11, 2008 at 5:35 am
ama49
Thanks for your comment.
In this article, by the Salt Lake News Tribune that came out the other day (http://www.sltrib.com/ci_2890645).
Here’s a quote directly from the article:
“Perhaps the best measure of LDS Church growth is the rate of new church units, such as wards (congregations) and stakes (like a diocese). Because they are staffed by volunteers, such units cannot function without enough active members.
In 1980, The Ensign, the LDS Church’s official magazine, predicted that membership would grow from 4.6 million members at that time to 11.1 million members in 2000, and from 1,190 stakes to 3,600 in 2000. While the number of members came very close to the projected value, there were 2,602 stakes worldwide at the end of 2002.”
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February 11, 2008 at 7:11 pm
LDS Anarchist
The number of convert baptisms is kind of misleading. If 10 years ago we baptized 800 people a day and 50% stayed active (400 people), and today we still baptize 800 people a day but only 10% stay active (80 people), the number of convert baptisms doesn’t tell the whole picture.
Who knows what percentage of people stay active? I sure don’t. What I do know is that when I was a missionary, most people we baptized went inactive. I know of only one lady I baptized who is semi-active, the others I know are inactive, and a few I’ve lost touch with, so I don’t know their status, but I assume them to be inactive, as the numbers were all in favor of the vast majority becoming inactive. This was typical of all missionaries in my mission.
Convert baptisms plus the retention rate would give the real number in the growth of the church.
If people of our church are leaving to attend other churches, it is for the same reason they left other churches to attend ours: to feel the Spirit and feel close to Christ. The only difference between our church and others, according to Joseph Smith, is that we’ve got the Holy Ghost. If, however, the manifestations of the Spirit have become few and far between after baptism, who can blame a person seeking those manifestations elsewhere?
The 50,000 missionaries number is troubling. There should be more than 50,000 now, even with the higher standards.
My feeling is that if we, as congregations, were truly Christ-centered and Spirit-filled, not only would convert baptisms be exploding, but also retention would be very high, as there would be nowhere else to go to receive these experiences and the words of eternal life. I think the number of convert baptisms we have now is a result of the faith and work of the missionaries we have, and not a manifestation of the members showing forth their light that all may see it and glorify God. I think probably a new convert starts attending church, only to see the light of the members as being pretty dim and then has no incentive to keep going. Its a vicious cycle that feeds into itself.
I see many people people fall asleep at church. Our church meetings have a tendency to lull people into a sort of deep boredom. I, myself, am often bored beyond tears, but the covenant I made keeps me going. Not everyone, though, sticks to their covenants come hell or high waters. For many, they are continually assessing the situation. If they feel that the Spirit has left, they also leave.
At any rate, even the active member numbers are misleading. We haven’t had any real controversy over being a LDS in many years. We haven’t had any real persecution. Instead, we’ve been held up by the world as honest, hard-working, conservative, all right, good people. That has made it kind of easy to be a LDS. If the tide suddenly turns and the world starts to hate, persecute and kill us, due to the introduction and practice of new doctrine or the re-introduction and practice of old doctrine, I think we will see many of the “die-hard,” active, even temple recommend-holding members suddenly leaving in droves. The Lord has promised to remove the hypocrites (actors) from his church before he comes. He has also promised to clean his church before he cleans Babylon. So, I think it is a bit too early to be relying on numbers to indicate the faithfulness and health of the church.
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February 12, 2008 at 5:17 am
ama49
LDS Anarchist,
Those are interesting statements on the church and the spirituality of the meetings, etc.
I agree with you on the fact that we should be striving to have spiritual meetings and that we fall short many times.
What do you suggest that we can do as individuals if we notice this trend in our meetings? How can we make it a spiritual experience first for ourselves and then for others?
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February 12, 2008 at 8:26 am
LDS Anarchist
That would be a start. Many times I can go through an entire meeting without hearing a single reference to Christ, other than the phrase “in the name of Jesus Christ, amen.”
That would be the final part, actually doing good works, according to Moroni’s definition of good works, which is working by the power and gifts of God. Moroni said these words right after enumerating a list of the “best” (D&C 46: 8) gifts of the Spirit. Often, we console ourselves that we are doing “good works” because of we pay our tithing, contribute to fast offerings, go to church, go to the temple, but none of these things are the “good works” according to Moroni’s definition. Every single one of these things can be done without the power and gift of God in us. But only prophesying, speaking in tongues, beholding angels and all the other “best gifts” require that we have the power of the Holy Ghost upon us and that we are sanctified. The “best” gifts of the Spirit, in fact, are the outward signs of inner sanctification. For example:
Unfortunately, until we are equal in earthly things, these heavenly manifestations will be, and have been, largely withheld from us:
As none of us strive to equalize our brethren in temporal things, I don’t see this happening any time soon. At least, not in a general sense, because for the individual who strives to equalize his brethren temporally, that individual will have the heavenly manifestations attending him.
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March 4, 2010 at 2:45 pm
kileybee
Couldn’t help but comment;
I am a convert in a small ward; basically… The reason this particular ward loses it’s convert is based soley upon ignorence and vindictive members.
Yes i am well aware that this is a petty reason to throw away your salvation; but to those who experience it first hand, not so much.
The issue that remains in the church, that i’ve been finding anyway. There is a distinct gap between the life members and the converts. For example tonight at my institute class generation members were asked to raise their hands; all but myself and one other person did not. We were first generations 😛
The point is; while the gospel and salvation has no bearing on our social stature it still hurts to be singled out; or avoided because your not LDS enough to fit in.
I was baptised three months before my freind who was also baptised. She is now anti LDS and refuses to attend or mention the Church. Since i joined i have watched a large portion of my ward disspear because of something ugly as social exclusion.
While the church may be growing; we are losing sight of what matters; because at the end of the day numbers are numbers; but is it really worth it if people are being baptised and shunted?
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March 5, 2010 at 1:59 pm
ama49
Kileybee,
Thank you for sharing your unfortunate experiences with the LDS culture. I’ll agree with you on everything you’ve stated. I think LDS people can get arrogant and ignorant and unaccepting.
What keeps you going despite all of that?
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March 18, 2010 at 12:23 pm
Doug
What you describe can be said of most churches regardless of the denomination. Most professing Christians fall short of Matthew 22:37-39. We do not love the Lord our God with ALL our heart, soul, mind and strength and so we fail to love our neighbor as ourself. God forgive us!
Some of the meanest, low down vindictive people I have come across have been church people. Thank the Lord for those faithful few who walk in the holiness of Jesus Christ.
Doug
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May 28, 2010 at 4:39 am
kileybee
The reason i still go is because i have a strong testamony without it i too would of fallen away from the church.
It’s difficult enough being a convert and at times i resent alot of others who attend because they are so shut off from the outside world.
Luckily enough i have a beautiful freind whom is an LDS member who is blessed enough to realise that the world is not as perfect as they would like it to be..
Without her support and the love of heavenly father i too would of left
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December 17, 2010 at 2:31 am
Rakel
When the church repents from polygamy (an “abomination” Jacob 2:23-24), Masonry (Satanic secret combinations Moses 5:29) required in all LDS temples with blood oaths of secrecy and consecration of “all our time, talents, and all we do posses to the church (and not to God) or “suffer our lives to be taken”, and altering the Book of Mormon (over 3,000 changes at the 2nd printing in 1837 which took out the “plain and precious truths” as prophesied in 1 Nephi 13 THEN the church will become spiritually in tune with God. Currently, it is a “condemned church” as stated by Ezra Taft Benson in his famous PRIDE talk and as stated by God in D&C 124:48 “for our follies and abominations which we do practice” e.g. as mentioned above.
Joseph Smith was warned against following his “own will and carnal desires or else he would fall” and yet he did not repent until just before his Masonic murder. See D. Michael Quinn, award-winning LDS historian, Origins of Power, p. 645-646. D. Michael Quinn thanks to printing the truth and not “faith promoting” lies was excommunicated after he published a report that during the first good seven years of the life of Joseph Smith (followed by seven bad years 1837-1844) where women (and blacks) HELD THE PRIESTHOOD! The blacks had the priesthood restored finally due to POLITICAL pressure to stop their racist attitude or lose financial assets of the church… Of course, a political revelation followed.
I believe firmly in the original Book of Mormon and the prophesied need for the CLEANSING of the LORDS House as stated in D&C 64, 112, 124, and throughout the original Book of Mormon which states clearly the true identity of God! Even contained in the altered BoM: Alma 11:23-40, Mosiah 15:1-5, Ether 3:14…
Be a truth seeker and THEN miracles happen when you obey the priniciples in the original Book of Mormon and the spiritual teachings of Jesus Christ (never swear any oath as it comes of evil, marriage of one man and one woman ONLY as evidenced by the destruction of the Nephites and Jaredites for practicing POLYGAMY… D&C 132 was politically installed with the deletion of the previous “revelation” of the sanctity of only one wife in a marriage as contained in earlier versions of the D&C (research the changes of the Book of Commandments & D&C)
The TRUTH is what is killing the church which is under a four generation curse as warned by God. Polygamy “NEVER made any mother in Israel happy” (as contained in Brigham Young ~top Mason’s & Jedidiah Grant’s speech in the Journal of Discourses). Its time to repent!
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December 17, 2010 at 2:32 am
Rakel
Joseph Smith warning against “following his own will and CARNAL DESIRES” is found in D&C 3:1-11
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