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		<title>By: ama49</title>
		<link>http://graceforgrace.com/2009/11/26/being-cautious-about-helping-the-homeless-and-those-in-need/#comment-2126</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 05:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doug,

Thank you so much for stopping by and sharing that.  There is the spirit behind helping those in need!  I love your story.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug,</p>
<p>Thank you so much for stopping by and sharing that.  There is the spirit behind helping those in need!  I love your story.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://graceforgrace.com/2009/11/26/being-cautious-about-helping-the-homeless-and-those-in-need/#comment-2119</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 05:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My wife and I were stopped by a homeless man while on vacation in SLC when we were first married 20 years ago. Coming from the East coast-it&#039;s amazing that my first run in with the homeless was in Utah. This man approached me and asked for money for food. I said a quick prayer and remembered seeing a Subway down the street and offered to take him down the street and buy him lunch-not only did he turn me down-he yelled at me and cursed at me! Good move! I assume he wanted the money for whisky or something. Flash forward 15 years I was with my one son, who was 7 at the time, at Market East in Philadelphia and was approached by a homeless man. Once again there was a Subway nearby (they must blanket the globe!) and offered to buy him lunch. His eyes filled with tears and he ordered the cheapest item on the menu. As he sat down to eat my son noticed that this man bowed his head to give thanks to the Lord. Both my son and I wept--it was a sacred moment. I have volunteered in homeless shelters and brought the youth from church to a rescue mission-but that experience with my son was a special moment that reminded me that God has a special place in his great heart for the lost, the hurting, the lonely and the hungry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife and I were stopped by a homeless man while on vacation in SLC when we were first married 20 years ago. Coming from the East coast-it&#8217;s amazing that my first run in with the homeless was in Utah. This man approached me and asked for money for food. I said a quick prayer and remembered seeing a Subway down the street and offered to take him down the street and buy him lunch-not only did he turn me down-he yelled at me and cursed at me! Good move! I assume he wanted the money for whisky or something. Flash forward 15 years I was with my one son, who was 7 at the time, at Market East in Philadelphia and was approached by a homeless man. Once again there was a Subway nearby (they must blanket the globe!) and offered to buy him lunch. His eyes filled with tears and he ordered the cheapest item on the menu. As he sat down to eat my son noticed that this man bowed his head to give thanks to the Lord. Both my son and I wept&#8211;it was a sacred moment. I have volunteered in homeless shelters and brought the youth from church to a rescue mission-but that experience with my son was a special moment that reminded me that God has a special place in his great heart for the lost, the hurting, the lonely and the hungry.</p>
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		<title>By: ama49</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 06:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mormoninvestigator,

Amen to your comments!  The whole LDS Church Welfare System is centered around not only helping people get help, but helping them become self-sufficient.  In fact, there is a great article by Thomas S Monson called &quot;A Provident Plan--A Precious Promise.&quot;  He talks about how Ronald Reagan approached the LDS Church to learn about how to help people get back on their feet again without using the system.  You should check it out here:

http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=27deef960417b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mormoninvestigator,</p>
<p>Amen to your comments!  The whole LDS Church Welfare System is centered around not only helping people get help, but helping them become self-sufficient.  In fact, there is a great article by Thomas S Monson called &#8220;A Provident Plan&#8211;A Precious Promise.&#8221;  He talks about how Ronald Reagan approached the LDS Church to learn about how to help people get back on their feet again without using the system.  You should check it out here:</p>
<p><a href="http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&#038;locale=0&#038;sourceId=27deef960417b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&#038;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD" rel="nofollow">http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&#038;locale=0&#038;sourceId=27deef960417b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&#038;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD</a></p>
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		<title>By: mormoninvestigator</title>
		<link>http://graceforgrace.com/2009/11/26/being-cautious-about-helping-the-homeless-and-those-in-need/#comment-1993</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mormoninvestigator]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 03:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;to place one person in emergency housing for one&quot;

Should say for one DAY :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;to place one person in emergency housing for one&#8221;</p>
<p>Should say for one DAY <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: mormoninvestigator</title>
		<link>http://graceforgrace.com/2009/11/26/being-cautious-about-helping-the-homeless-and-those-in-need/#comment-1992</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mormoninvestigator]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 03:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As someone who works in a government social service agency in NY it has been my job to examine applications for assistance and determine who gets help and who doesn&#039;t following strict guidelines that are set by the state.

Before beginning my job I was a supporter, if not vocally at least mentally, of the government run programs. However since being in the employ of the &quot;system&quot; I have had a change of heart. So many of those who use the system are cheating it and thereby the helpless taxpayers. Also the private run (and mostly religious) organizations who help the homeless in my area are bilking my county for hundreds of $ a day for the homeless people they shelter - to place one person in emergency housing for one in my county cost the taxpayer anywhere from $500-$800 in one of these shelters. 

So what am I saying? We do need to be wary of whom we help and how we help. I am touched by the passage from the NT in the post, equally so by the BoM quote and I am all for helping those in need, but ultimately helping those in need should lead to self-sufficiency for those being helped somewhere down the road, and we must prayerfully discern as Christian when we should be giving the full amount of assistance we can or when we are helping those who either have alterior motives (to do us or someone harm) or who can rightfully help themselves but choose not to]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who works in a government social service agency in NY it has been my job to examine applications for assistance and determine who gets help and who doesn&#8217;t following strict guidelines that are set by the state.</p>
<p>Before beginning my job I was a supporter, if not vocally at least mentally, of the government run programs. However since being in the employ of the &#8220;system&#8221; I have had a change of heart. So many of those who use the system are cheating it and thereby the helpless taxpayers. Also the private run (and mostly religious) organizations who help the homeless in my area are bilking my county for hundreds of $ a day for the homeless people they shelter &#8211; to place one person in emergency housing for one in my county cost the taxpayer anywhere from $500-$800 in one of these shelters. </p>
<p>So what am I saying? We do need to be wary of whom we help and how we help. I am touched by the passage from the NT in the post, equally so by the BoM quote and I am all for helping those in need, but ultimately helping those in need should lead to self-sufficiency for those being helped somewhere down the road, and we must prayerfully discern as Christian when we should be giving the full amount of assistance we can or when we are helping those who either have alterior motives (to do us or someone harm) or who can rightfully help themselves but choose not to</p>
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		<title>By: ama49</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ama49]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ariel,  nice points on giving.  Thanks for sharing your thoughts.  I completely agree with you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ariel,  nice points on giving.  Thanks for sharing your thoughts.  I completely agree with you.</p>
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		<title>By: ama49</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ama49]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kate,

I like your attitude and approach to giving.  You&#039;re right that God has given us everything and we have agency to do what we want.  The scriptures tell us to give so we should do just that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate,</p>
<p>I like your attitude and approach to giving.  You&#8217;re right that God has given us everything and we have agency to do what we want.  The scriptures tell us to give so we should do just that.</p>
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		<title>By: ama49</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ama49]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Taylor,

I think you have very good goals and really it doesn&#039;t matter if we have a lot to give or a little because none of it is ours anyways.  God has loaned it to us to see what we&#039;ll do with it.  If we are practiced in giving when we&#039;re poor then we&#039;ll have the habit (hopefully) when we&#039;re rich too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Taylor,</p>
<p>I think you have very good goals and really it doesn&#8217;t matter if we have a lot to give or a little because none of it is ours anyways.  God has loaned it to us to see what we&#8217;ll do with it.  If we are practiced in giving when we&#8217;re poor then we&#8217;ll have the habit (hopefully) when we&#8217;re rich too.</p>
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		<title>By: Ariel</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ariel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 03:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s important to remember that in the Smart case, Mitchell (the perp) wasn&#039;t ever brought into their home or given &quot;full access to everything.&quot; Ed Smart paid Mitchell to work on his roof, and Mitchell only saw glimpses of other members of the Smart family- just enough to get interested, I guess. Even those glimpses turned out to be too much in that particular case.

I think we need to give reasonably, but remember that sometimes there are extreme cases that no one could predict. Nothing is 100% safe, and depending on individual circumstances, different people will need to make different decisions about giving.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s important to remember that in the Smart case, Mitchell (the perp) wasn&#8217;t ever brought into their home or given &#8220;full access to everything.&#8221; Ed Smart paid Mitchell to work on his roof, and Mitchell only saw glimpses of other members of the Smart family- just enough to get interested, I guess. Even those glimpses turned out to be too much in that particular case.</p>
<p>I think we need to give reasonably, but remember that sometimes there are extreme cases that no one could predict. Nothing is 100% safe, and depending on individual circumstances, different people will need to make different decisions about giving.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 06:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think we often try to make the choice for another by dictating how they should use the help we give them.  For example, instead of giving someone money, we invite them into our homes to &#039;work for the money&#039;, requiring them to &#039;prove&#039; they really need our help.  This violates their ability to choose for themselves and also puts us at risk.

Choice and the freedom to choose are the greatest gifts we can give another person. If we choose to give money or education in an effort to help another, we are also giving the gift of choice.

I hear people say &#039;I don&#039;t give money to beggars because they will use it for drugs.&#039;  We don&#039;t know for sure what the money will be used for - and we prevent another person from choosing (for good or bad) when we withhold what is not ours to begin with.

It works out that giving choice to another person helps us maintain our own safety. By giving money, we are not putting others in a situation where they can hurt us or take advantage.  By seeking opportunities to volunteer our time at shelters or as a teacher/educator, we are giving back in a mutually beneficial way.

Safety and choice go hand in hand.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we often try to make the choice for another by dictating how they should use the help we give them.  For example, instead of giving someone money, we invite them into our homes to &#8216;work for the money&#8217;, requiring them to &#8216;prove&#8217; they really need our help.  This violates their ability to choose for themselves and also puts us at risk.</p>
<p>Choice and the freedom to choose are the greatest gifts we can give another person. If we choose to give money or education in an effort to help another, we are also giving the gift of choice.</p>
<p>I hear people say &#8216;I don&#8217;t give money to beggars because they will use it for drugs.&#8217;  We don&#8217;t know for sure what the money will be used for &#8211; and we prevent another person from choosing (for good or bad) when we withhold what is not ours to begin with.</p>
<p>It works out that giving choice to another person helps us maintain our own safety. By giving money, we are not putting others in a situation where they can hurt us or take advantage.  By seeking opportunities to volunteer our time at shelters or as a teacher/educator, we are giving back in a mutually beneficial way.</p>
<p>Safety and choice go hand in hand.</p>
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