As for Obama, sure, Bush wasn’t perfect by any means (as Obama LOVES to point out), but Obama has gone places where Bush wouldn’t even dream of doing.

I bet it would surprise some people to realize that the government recently promised to pay some men substantial amounts of money to link up all of the communications systems, tvs, electricity, etc. to a grid, and have it so that Obama can turn it all off on a whim. They’ll probably call me crazy, but I have quite a few people willing to testify of that.

As if that were the only abuse by our current government officials. Do people realize that our “safe schools” czar is a gay man with an agenda to push homosexuality down the throats of school children? MassResistance has clearly documented his crimes.
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/issues/fistgate/index.html

And we give money to this guy.

Leftists and secularists will always seek to potray tea-party goers and conservatives in a bad light (they’ve recently gone so far as to infiltrate these tea parties in order to make them look bad, and they’ve admitted to this).

The health care bill is another great example. The list just goes on.

I agree with you in the fact that Obama is the result of a reflection of where our country is.

I disagree with you that God wanted Obama to be there.

…. Let every person be subject to the governing
authorities. For there is no authority except by God’s
appointment, and the authorities that exist have been
instituted by God. … Romans 13:1

I also believe that he is the result of a sinful land that
has turned it’s back on God and the 10 commandments.

… For this reason God gave them over to degrading
passions; for their women exchanged the natural
function for that which is unnatural, … Romans 1:26

In the last election Americans wanted a King, a Messiah,
a Savoir and they got one! They believe that only Obama
can save them (from Global warming, with his Hellthcare,
from the Religious Right, ect..). Some of these people are
actually teaching little children to worship him.

….7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the
voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they
have not rejected thee,

* but they have rejected me,
that I should not reign over them.

….8 According to all the works which they have done
since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even
unto this day, wherewith

* they have forsaken me,
* and served other gods,

so do they also unto thee…. 1Samuel 7-8

Basically I am saying that
WE ARE GETTING THE GOVERNMENT WE DESERVE!
THE LEFT WANTED A KING AND NOW THEY HAVE ONE!

This country turned against God long ago and now Obama
is its just reward. The American Left has DONE WHAT IS
EVIL IN THE SIGHT OF THE LORD for decades and decades.

Barack Hussien Obama is the perfect punishment onto a
debased, defiant, depraved democracy that is doomed to
destruction.

To be honest with you though, President Bush did the same thing with dumping money out that we didn’t have, so to be fair to Obama it didn’t start with him, but he sure isn’t helping any.

As for the comments with worshipping Obama, I think it’s totally uncalled for and people have a false hope in him.

You made a suggestion that my education was somehow invalid because the professors with whom I have worked are “liberal-minded” and because they “diminished the role of godly men and women.” I explained that while many of them were indeed liberal, that none of them denied the role of religion in American history. Is that what bothered you?

Or was it that I challenged how representative the evidence you brought forth in support of your claim that American is/was a Christian nation is? Could you please explain why either one of these things caused you to insult me in the manner you chose?

No you don’t. If you did, you would not have to qualify that respect with a demeaning comment about the people and institutions I’ve worked with and at in graduate school.

Perhaps I am wrong, but it seems that your degrees were granted by liberal-minded people who diminished the role of godly men and women.

Liberal-minded? A lot of people I’ve worked with in graduate school have been “liberal-minded,” sure. Diminished the role of godly men and women? Depends on what you mean. Do they teach a providential view of history? Of course not. Such would be terribly inappropriate. Do they recognize, though, the significance of religion and religious individuals and communities in shaping American society? Oh course. If they didn’t, it would be irresponsible scholarship.

Granted, history does not fall into neat little categories, but the evidence seems to be that our nation was more religious than not

As a historian of American religion, I agree that religion has been a powerful force in the country’s history. What’s your point?

In 1796 the US Supreme Court issued this ruling, “By our form of government, the Christian religion is the established religion, and all sects and denominations of Christians are placed on equal footing.” Some 57 years later, after Congress was petitioned to separate Christian principles from government, in 1853 the House Judiciary Committee issued their formal report, including these words: “In this age there is no substitute for Christianity. This was the religion of the founders of the republic, and they expected it to be the religion of their dependents. The great vital, conservative elements in our system is the belief of our people in the pure doctrines and divine truths of the gospel of Jesus Christ.” – – – Dr. Gerald Beavan

Really? That’s your “evidence”? A single court decision from 1796 made by a group of Christian men acting in their own self-interest, and a quote from an otherwise obscure congressman saying that the founding fathers were Christian, and therefore they were? That’s all you’ve got?

And what does any of this have to do with Barack Obama and an isolated instance of school children singing a song about him in New Jersey?

Because many of the founding fathers were not Christians. They were Deists.