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		<title>By: atructured settlement</title>
		<link>http://graceforgrace.com/2009/09/08/book-of-mormon-geography-which-theory-do-you-believe/#comment-4777</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2011 01:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice blog , I like your article 
I have entried your blog on my bookmark . Thanks]]></description>
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I have entried your blog on my bookmark . Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: The Legend of the Lost Book of Gold (Part 1 of 4) &#124; Wheat and Tares</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Legend of the Lost Book of Gold (Part 1 of 4) &#124; Wheat and Tares]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2011 22:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Brandley, Theodore. “Book of Mormon Geography: Which Theory do you Believe?” Weblog comment #1745. Grace for Grace: Developing Spirituality line upon line. 17 Sept. 2009. Accessed Sept. 2011. &lt;http://graceforgrace.com/2009/09/08/book-of-mormon-geography-which-theory-do-you-believe/#comment-17...&gt;. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Brandley, Theodore. “Book of Mormon Geography: Which Theory do you Believe?” Weblog comment #1745. Grace for Grace: Developing Spirituality line upon line. 17 Sept. 2009. Accessed Sept. 2011. &lt;<a href="http://graceforgrace.com/2009/09/08/book-of-mormon-geography-which-theory-do-you-believe/#comment-17...&gt;" rel="nofollow">http://graceforgrace.com/2009/09/08/book-of-mormon-geography-which-theory-do-you-believe/#comment-17&#8230;&gt;</a>. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy B. Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timothy B. Wilson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 May 2011 00:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Back then, &quot;isle&quot; meant &quot;continent&quot;, not &quot;island&quot;. Sorry, no Gilligan theory today. (:

Tim]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back then, &#8220;isle&#8221; meant &#8220;continent&#8221;, not &#8220;island&#8221;. Sorry, no Gilligan theory today. (:</p>
<p>Tim</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy B. Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timothy B. Wilson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 May 2011 00:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d love to put this whole thing to rest, if I may.

Go to my website, plainBookofMormon.com, and click on Alma. Then do a &quot;control F&quot; and type in &quot;chapter 23&quot; to go straight there. Scroll up just a bit, and YOU&#039;LL SEE MY DETAILED MAP THAT EXPLAINS IT ALL QUITE SIMPLY!

The Book of Mormon era people traveled in terms of days to get from this land to that land. To get from one side of the &quot;narrow neck&quot; to the other was about 1.5 days journey (about 40 miles).

Joseph mentioned where Lehi landed, there at the 38th parallel. Going &quot;up&quot; to the land of the Lamanites was the edgy mountain range, hiking westward from the Yucatan, not north. Up is not necessarily north. The Lamanites had taken over the place where Lehi first landed on the western shore, thus they were in &quot;the land of our father&#039;s first inheritance.&quot;

The water has since dried on the Yucatan, but it&#039;s quite flat and marshy to this day. The locals say the flood of Noah has not quite receded there. The elevated center of the land was the ancient &quot;narrow neck&quot;.

The land northward was where the Jaredites lived.

In Bountiful, they said they would have been nearly an island, had it not been for the narrow neck.

Every description I&#039;ve come across in my extensive lifetime of studying The Book of Mormon fits this map perfectly, with no exceptions. All the other silly scenarios (like the great lakes) are shots in the dark with endless holes.

The Hill Cumorah was NOT in New York. Moroni never told Joseph the place with his stone box was the Hill Cumorah. The Hill Cumorah is on the Yucatan. All of The Book of Mormon history was in that 200 square mile area.

The people populated the areas, then wiped each other out on a regular basis (as in Jaredite and Nephite extinctions), keeping the population at bay. Even early on, Lehi&#039;s son Jacob mentions the &quot;many wars&quot; they had had with his brother&#039;s and their people.

Only a fraction of today&#039;s Native Americans (mostly in Central America) are descendants of Lehi or Mulek&#039;s people. This also explains the lack of Jewish blood &quot;DNA proof&quot; that many anti-LDS use.

We tend to think &quot;we&#039;re all that&quot; when it comes to The Book of Mormon. But really, it&#039;s a small part of history and geography, (and only partly translated), and Jared&#039;s vision (his 24 plates) have been withheld, too, because we&#039;re not very pure, as a whole people, and still under condemnation, by the way (see section 84).

The brass plates handed down to Laban are promised to be read to all people, but they&#039;re not here yet. And the other tribes will tell of their people, and history and dealings with Christ, but they are not here yet.

Yes, the Book of Mormon info we have now is a small part of history and geography. Let&#039;s get humble and get real here.

So much of the covenant is to the Latter Day Jews and Lamanites (only those descended from Laman, folks), not all the Native South, Central, and North American people.


Tim]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d love to put this whole thing to rest, if I may.</p>
<p>Go to my website, plainBookofMormon.com, and click on Alma. Then do a &#8220;control F&#8221; and type in &#8220;chapter 23&#8243; to go straight there. Scroll up just a bit, and YOU&#8217;LL SEE MY DETAILED MAP THAT EXPLAINS IT ALL QUITE SIMPLY!</p>
<p>The Book of Mormon era people traveled in terms of days to get from this land to that land. To get from one side of the &#8220;narrow neck&#8221; to the other was about 1.5 days journey (about 40 miles).</p>
<p>Joseph mentioned where Lehi landed, there at the 38th parallel. Going &#8220;up&#8221; to the land of the Lamanites was the edgy mountain range, hiking westward from the Yucatan, not north. Up is not necessarily north. The Lamanites had taken over the place where Lehi first landed on the western shore, thus they were in &#8220;the land of our father&#8217;s first inheritance.&#8221;</p>
<p>The water has since dried on the Yucatan, but it&#8217;s quite flat and marshy to this day. The locals say the flood of Noah has not quite receded there. The elevated center of the land was the ancient &#8220;narrow neck&#8221;.</p>
<p>The land northward was where the Jaredites lived.</p>
<p>In Bountiful, they said they would have been nearly an island, had it not been for the narrow neck.</p>
<p>Every description I&#8217;ve come across in my extensive lifetime of studying The Book of Mormon fits this map perfectly, with no exceptions. All the other silly scenarios (like the great lakes) are shots in the dark with endless holes.</p>
<p>The Hill Cumorah was NOT in New York. Moroni never told Joseph the place with his stone box was the Hill Cumorah. The Hill Cumorah is on the Yucatan. All of The Book of Mormon history was in that 200 square mile area.</p>
<p>The people populated the areas, then wiped each other out on a regular basis (as in Jaredite and Nephite extinctions), keeping the population at bay. Even early on, Lehi&#8217;s son Jacob mentions the &#8220;many wars&#8221; they had had with his brother&#8217;s and their people.</p>
<p>Only a fraction of today&#8217;s Native Americans (mostly in Central America) are descendants of Lehi or Mulek&#8217;s people. This also explains the lack of Jewish blood &#8220;DNA proof&#8221; that many anti-LDS use.</p>
<p>We tend to think &#8220;we&#8217;re all that&#8221; when it comes to The Book of Mormon. But really, it&#8217;s a small part of history and geography, (and only partly translated), and Jared&#8217;s vision (his 24 plates) have been withheld, too, because we&#8217;re not very pure, as a whole people, and still under condemnation, by the way (see section 84).</p>
<p>The brass plates handed down to Laban are promised to be read to all people, but they&#8217;re not here yet. And the other tribes will tell of their people, and history and dealings with Christ, but they are not here yet.</p>
<p>Yes, the Book of Mormon info we have now is a small part of history and geography. Let&#8217;s get humble and get real here.</p>
<p>So much of the covenant is to the Latter Day Jews and Lamanites (only those descended from Laman, folks), not all the Native South, Central, and North American people.</p>
<p>Tim</p>
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		<title>By: MrNirom</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MrNirom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jan 2011 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jim,

In looking at the Book of Mormon Lands.. there is one scripture that must be followed above all other scriptures first.  And that is Nephi 10:20

&quot;We have been driven out of the land of our inheritance; but we have been led to a better land, for the Lord has made the sea our path, and we are upon an isle of the sea.&quot;

They were on an island.  The Jaredites we find out in the Book of Mormon were in the Land Northward.  The poisonous serpents kept them from going into the land Southward.  (Ether 9:33)

33 And it came to pass that the Lord did cause the serpents that they should pursue them no more, but that they should hedge up the way that the people could not pass, that whoso should attempt to pass might fall by the poisonous serpents.

If they could not expand into the land Southward and they lived on the Baja Peninsula.. they could have easily gone north.  Nothing kept them from expanding to the north.

In Helaman 3:8.. Mormon, in his abridgment records that the people “did multiply and spread, and did go forth from the land southward to the land northward, and did spread insomuch that they began to cover the face of the whole earth, from the sea south to the sea north, from the sea west to the sea east”

Just where is the sea north?

As soon as you start dismissing scripture in your model.. this is where you have created square pegs being fit into round holes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,</p>
<p>In looking at the Book of Mormon Lands.. there is one scripture that must be followed above all other scriptures first.  And that is Nephi 10:20</p>
<p>&#8220;We have been driven out of the land of our inheritance; but we have been led to a better land, for the Lord has made the sea our path, and we are upon an isle of the sea.&#8221;</p>
<p>They were on an island.  The Jaredites we find out in the Book of Mormon were in the Land Northward.  The poisonous serpents kept them from going into the land Southward.  (Ether 9:33)</p>
<p>33 And it came to pass that the Lord did cause the serpents that they should pursue them no more, but that they should hedge up the way that the people could not pass, that whoso should attempt to pass might fall by the poisonous serpents.</p>
<p>If they could not expand into the land Southward and they lived on the Baja Peninsula.. they could have easily gone north.  Nothing kept them from expanding to the north.</p>
<p>In Helaman 3:8.. Mormon, in his abridgment records that the people “did multiply and spread, and did go forth from the land southward to the land northward, and did spread insomuch that they began to cover the face of the whole earth, from the sea south to the sea north, from the sea west to the sea east”</p>
<p>Just where is the sea north?</p>
<p>As soon as you start dismissing scripture in your model.. this is where you have created square pegs being fit into round holes.</p>
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		<title>By: ama49</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ama49]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jan 2011 07:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Jim,

Thanks for the website!  I think this theory is plausible.  I sent it to my brother in law who is serving in that area now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jim,</p>
<p>Thanks for the website!  I think this theory is plausible.  I sent it to my brother in law who is serving in that area now.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim F</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim F]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jan 2011 00:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very interesting dialogue among you over the last year or so.  Some allude to the Baja theory being developed.  That theory has now been fleshed out with a website - www.achoiceland.com.   Some of you have obviously spent a lot of time considering these matters.  Any of you have an opinion about the Baja theory as outlined on their website?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting dialogue among you over the last year or so.  Some allude to the Baja theory being developed.  That theory has now been fleshed out with a website &#8211; <a href="http://www.achoiceland.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.achoiceland.com</a>.   Some of you have obviously spent a lot of time considering these matters.  Any of you have an opinion about the Baja theory as outlined on their website?</p>
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		<title>By: Seth R.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Seth R.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Nov 2010 23:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wouldn&#039;t call it &quot;my way.&quot; It&#039;s not my blog. It&#039;s just that there&#039;s really a ton of content here. Some may certainly want to read the whole thing. But a lot of readers will probably just want the highlights. So a post summarizing them with a link to more detailed content would probably do the trick.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t call it &#8220;my way.&#8221; It&#8217;s not my blog. It&#8217;s just that there&#8217;s really a ton of content here. Some may certainly want to read the whole thing. But a lot of readers will probably just want the highlights. So a post summarizing them with a link to more detailed content would probably do the trick.</p>
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		<title>By: MrNirom</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MrNirom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Nov 2010 22:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seth,

Sorry about that.  I thought that because each section was titled and it shows their are VIII parts.. it would be easier to ask questions regarding the individual parts.

Also.. the last 2 comments were made in Feb.. and then in Aug of 2010.  Not much action anymore.  I was hoping that if I posted something that gave a bit more in depth info.. they would be more likely to respond to it rather than post a link and then have to come back here to respond.

But hey.. I will do it your way next time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seth,</p>
<p>Sorry about that.  I thought that because each section was titled and it shows their are VIII parts.. it would be easier to ask questions regarding the individual parts.</p>
<p>Also.. the last 2 comments were made in Feb.. and then in Aug of 2010.  Not much action anymore.  I was hoping that if I posted something that gave a bit more in depth info.. they would be more likely to respond to it rather than post a link and then have to come back here to respond.</p>
<p>But hey.. I will do it your way next time.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth R.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Seth R.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Nov 2010 21:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nirom,

How about next time you just post your essay online and provide a link here?

That&#039;s waay too much content for a discussion format like this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nirom,</p>
<p>How about next time you just post your essay online and provide a link here?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s waay too much content for a discussion format like this.</p>
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