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	<title>Comments on: Father put in Jail for not Allowing Same-sex Marriage to be Taught to his Child at School</title>
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		<title>By: gina</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 23:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the above link (http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1352578267/bctid1819819843) for the video does not work. is there another link i can use or another location with this same video or another video on this same topic?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the above link (<a href="http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1352578267/bctid1819819843" rel="nofollow">http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1352578267/bctid1819819843</a>) for the video does not work. is there another link i can use or another location with this same video or another video on this same topic?</p>
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		<title>By: ama49</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 01:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Djinn,

You are right that the law in Mass. does state this and as such they do have a right to teach the law and therefore a right to teach about gay marriage.

I agree with you about what you say about families teaching their children.  In fact, I believe the family is where children should be taught.

In this certain circumstance, I feel that the father probably did something more than just oppose the gay issue.  I&#039;m sure he got a bit aggressive and perhaps threatening to the officials and that is why he was put in jail.  

However, I also feel that certain moral principles should be taught in schools.  America was founded on these principles and gay marriage wasn&#039;t a part of it.  Neither was two people living with each other out of welock and other moral issues.  The purpose of this post was to point out that it is important to stand up for moral issues without being beligerant or threatening.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Djinn,</p>
<p>You are right that the law in Mass. does state this and as such they do have a right to teach the law and therefore a right to teach about gay marriage.</p>
<p>I agree with you about what you say about families teaching their children.  In fact, I believe the family is where children should be taught.</p>
<p>In this certain circumstance, I feel that the father probably did something more than just oppose the gay issue.  I&#8217;m sure he got a bit aggressive and perhaps threatening to the officials and that is why he was put in jail.  </p>
<p>However, I also feel that certain moral principles should be taught in schools.  America was founded on these principles and gay marriage wasn&#8217;t a part of it.  Neither was two people living with each other out of welock and other moral issues.  The purpose of this post was to point out that it is important to stand up for moral issues without being beligerant or threatening.</p>
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		<title>By: djinn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[djinn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 22:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The man arrested, Rob Wirthlinl, objected to his son reading a book which talked about two men getting married.  This is legal in Mass.    They called it &quot;advocating gay marriage.&quot;  I&#039;d call it teaching children that kids come from different sorts of families.  Plus, since this couple has been seen countless times (in ads) discussing this very same book, don&#039;t you think their kids have figured out that two men can get married in Mass.?  I somehow suspect so. 

 Kids come from different sorts of families.  Is your point that those children that come from the wrong sort of families should be shunned?  Because it seems to be the obvious conclusion from your premise.  Gay families exist; whether you like it or not, it is a fact, and legal in Mass, where this family is.  

The family is perfectly free to teach their children that gay marriage is wrong, that drinking coffee is wrong, that drinking tea is wrong, that (name any mormon commandment here that is not a law) is wrong.  They are not free to make the school conform to their religious beliefs, however.  It&#039;s called separation of church and state.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The man arrested, Rob Wirthlinl, objected to his son reading a book which talked about two men getting married.  This is legal in Mass.    They called it &#8220;advocating gay marriage.&#8221;  I&#8217;d call it teaching children that kids come from different sorts of families.  Plus, since this couple has been seen countless times (in ads) discussing this very same book, don&#8217;t you think their kids have figured out that two men can get married in Mass.?  I somehow suspect so. </p>
<p> Kids come from different sorts of families.  Is your point that those children that come from the wrong sort of families should be shunned?  Because it seems to be the obvious conclusion from your premise.  Gay families exist; whether you like it or not, it is a fact, and legal in Mass, where this family is.  </p>
<p>The family is perfectly free to teach their children that gay marriage is wrong, that drinking coffee is wrong, that drinking tea is wrong, that (name any mormon commandment here that is not a law) is wrong.  They are not free to make the school conform to their religious beliefs, however.  It&#8217;s called separation of church and state.</p>
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		<title>By: ama49</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ama49]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 05:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#15 Reality Check,

I actually already addressed this issue.  Please read the whole post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#15 Reality Check,</p>
<p>I actually already addressed this issue.  Please read the whole post.</p>
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		<title>By: Reality Check</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Reality Check]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The father arrested was arrested for disorderly conduct not for opposing gay marriage.  Think about it.  Actually read something besides a one sided blog.  Yes actual newspapers still exist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The father arrested was arrested for disorderly conduct not for opposing gay marriage.  Think about it.  Actually read something besides a one sided blog.  Yes actual newspapers still exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Aaron,

I misspoke in my earlier post.  A California Appeals Court has already ruled that parents, who are not certified teachers, can not home school their children.  

I wrote about it &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thoughtsonlds.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here.&lt;/a&gt;

included in the post:

&quot;Here&#039;s the kicker. Pehaps you&#039;re thinking that you can avoid the issue altogether by just homeschooling your child. If you live in California, think again. Earlier this year a California Court of Appeals ruled that Philip and Mary Long of Lynwood, CA, could not home school their children because Mary (the mom/teacher) was not a certified teacher in CA.&quot; 

&#039;&quot;California courts have held that ... parents do not have a constitutional right to homeschool their children&#039; Justice H. Walter Croskey said in the 3-0 ruling issued on Feb. 28. &#039;Parents have a legal duty to see to their children&#039;s schooling under the provisions of these laws.&#039;

Parents can be criminally prosecuted for failing to comply, Croskey said.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Aaron,</p>
<p>I misspoke in my earlier post.  A California Appeals Court has already ruled that parents, who are not certified teachers, can not home school their children.  </p>
<p>I wrote about it <a href="http://www.thoughtsonlds.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">here.</a></p>
<p>included in the post:</p>
<p>&#8220;Here&#8217;s the kicker. Pehaps you&#8217;re thinking that you can avoid the issue altogether by just homeschooling your child. If you live in California, think again. Earlier this year a California Court of Appeals ruled that Philip and Mary Long of Lynwood, CA, could not home school their children because Mary (the mom/teacher) was not a certified teacher in CA.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8216;&#8221;California courts have held that &#8230; parents do not have a constitutional right to homeschool their children&#8217; Justice H. Walter Croskey said in the 3-0 ruling issued on Feb. 28. &#8216;Parents have a legal duty to see to their children&#8217;s schooling under the provisions of these laws.&#8217;</p>
<p>Parents can be criminally prosecuted for failing to comply, Croskey said.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: ama49</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ama49]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 08:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#10 Greg,

Thanks for stopping by.  It is heart stirring and I think it is terrible that the government can step in like that.  From looking into the details, I can understand how the father felt very frustrated, but I think he got a bit carried away and that&#039;s what led him to go to jail.

We need to do all we can to voice that traditional marriage between man and woman is what is right without getting over-zealous.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#10 Greg,</p>
<p>Thanks for stopping by.  It is heart stirring and I think it is terrible that the government can step in like that.  From looking into the details, I can understand how the father felt very frustrated, but I think he got a bit carried away and that&#8217;s what led him to go to jail.</p>
<p>We need to do all we can to voice that traditional marriage between man and woman is what is right without getting over-zealous.</p>
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		<title>By: ama49</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ama49]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 08:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#7 and #8 Eric,

I think it is important to protect marriage and I can see your point.  However, what I read about this agency that used to be with Focus on the Family and split off, is that they have become known in recent years for &quot;staging&quot; certain things and mis-representing things to prove their point.  Clearly in this video they show a very one-sided approach.

Now, that being said, I do not agree with the state stepping in and teaching children in public schools about things parents should be teaching them on.  That is where the state crosses the line.  

I can only remember one instance in the bible when Jesus became aggressive and that was when they were in the temple.  For the most part, Jesus showed quiet dignity.  I feel if one is opposed to something, standing outside and picketing really isn&#039;t going to turn people on to a cause, rather, spreading the word to protect marriage as suggested in comment #11 and also on the link I provided is a much better approach and one more in line with what Jesus would do, I believe.  

I agree with you about our presidential choices as well.  God help us if Obama gets in there!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#7 and #8 Eric,</p>
<p>I think it is important to protect marriage and I can see your point.  However, what I read about this agency that used to be with Focus on the Family and split off, is that they have become known in recent years for &#8220;staging&#8221; certain things and mis-representing things to prove their point.  Clearly in this video they show a very one-sided approach.</p>
<p>Now, that being said, I do not agree with the state stepping in and teaching children in public schools about things parents should be teaching them on.  That is where the state crosses the line.  </p>
<p>I can only remember one instance in the bible when Jesus became aggressive and that was when they were in the temple.  For the most part, Jesus showed quiet dignity.  I feel if one is opposed to something, standing outside and picketing really isn&#8217;t going to turn people on to a cause, rather, spreading the word to protect marriage as suggested in comment #11 and also on the link I provided is a much better approach and one more in line with what Jesus would do, I believe.  </p>
<p>I agree with you about our presidential choices as well.  God help us if Obama gets in there!</p>
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		<title>By: ldspad</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ldspad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 02:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Looks like that video is making its rounds around the internet.

It&#039;s important that we spread the word about protecting marriage.

http://ldspad.wordpress.com/2008/10/14/proposition-8-protect-marriage/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like that video is making its rounds around the internet.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s important that we spread the word about protecting marriage.</p>
<p><a href="http://ldspad.wordpress.com/2008/10/14/proposition-8-protect-marriage/" rel="nofollow">http://ldspad.wordpress.com/2008/10/14/proposition-8-protect-marriage/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 19:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for pointing out the post over at Mormons for Marriage. I just happened to view the video the other day. I think the post on Mormons for Marriage and the comments to your post here have created questions concerning the video. Thanks for that. I thought about putting it on my own blog, but didn&#039;t quite know what to think about it after I viewed it. The video is certainly heart stirring though. Thanks again,

Greg]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for pointing out the post over at Mormons for Marriage. I just happened to view the video the other day. I think the post on Mormons for Marriage and the comments to your post here have created questions concerning the video. Thanks for that. I thought about putting it on my own blog, but didn&#8217;t quite know what to think about it after I viewed it. The video is certainly heart stirring though. Thanks again,</p>
<p>Greg</p>
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