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	<title>Comments on: Doing &#8220;All You Can Do&#8221; to Support Ban on Gay Marriage&#8230;Should the Church Get Involved?</title>
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		<title>By: Veruca</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Veruca]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2011 23:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I could watch Schnlider&#039;s List and still be happy after reading this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could watch Schnlider&#8217;s List and still be happy after reading this.</p>
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		<title>By: WestBerkeleyFlats</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WestBerkeleyFlats]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The LDS church acted in this manner in California and other states to organize opposition to gay marriage for the same reason that it organized opposition to the ERA among members in the 1970s in states such as Virginia and Utah using the same methods, namely because the LDS church is a socially conservative organization that is allied with other socially conservative religious organizations on these issues.

I think that both efforts were misguided from a practical standpoint, given that most LDS members in the US would probably prefer that LDS leaders express their views but not directly encourage any political action.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The LDS church acted in this manner in California and other states to organize opposition to gay marriage for the same reason that it organized opposition to the ERA among members in the 1970s in states such as Virginia and Utah using the same methods, namely because the LDS church is a socially conservative organization that is allied with other socially conservative religious organizations on these issues.</p>
<p>I think that both efforts were misguided from a practical standpoint, given that most LDS members in the US would probably prefer that LDS leaders express their views but not directly encourage any political action.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The only reason I&#039;ve heard that the LDS Church will step into politics is on moral issues, but there are so many moral issues (as already pointed out) that the Church ignores.  

Personally, I think the Church acts on the gay issue because it is low hanging fruit.  In other words, it&#039;s the easiest thing to fight against.  Homosexuality hasn&#039;t been completely accepted by our society yet and therefore enough support exists among the populous to make a difference.  While actions like this may slow the acceptance of gays, ultimately I believe our culture will accept them without prejudice in the future as many other cultures already do.  It will become a non-issue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only reason I&#8217;ve heard that the LDS Church will step into politics is on moral issues, but there are so many moral issues (as already pointed out) that the Church ignores.  </p>
<p>Personally, I think the Church acts on the gay issue because it is low hanging fruit.  In other words, it&#8217;s the easiest thing to fight against.  Homosexuality hasn&#8217;t been completely accepted by our society yet and therefore enough support exists among the populous to make a difference.  While actions like this may slow the acceptance of gays, ultimately I believe our culture will accept them without prejudice in the future as many other cultures already do.  It will become a non-issue.</p>
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		<title>By: ama49</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ama49]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#27

Arielle,

Thank you for stopping by and for your comments.  

What exactly would you suggest that the saints should do?  

Also,  what would you say the main problem with homosexuality is and why should the church get politically involved?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#27</p>
<p>Arielle,</p>
<p>Thank you for stopping by and for your comments.  </p>
<p>What exactly would you suggest that the saints should do?  </p>
<p>Also,  what would you say the main problem with homosexuality is and why should the church get politically involved?</p>
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		<title>By: ama49</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ama49]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#31

Jay,

You bring up an excellent point about the other sins such as fornication, etc. that the church doesn&#039;t get politically involved with and why they pick the gay issue, I&#039;m not sure.

That&#039;s the good thing about free agency though and the point I was trying to make in the post.  For some &quot;doing all they can do&quot; to support it is different than others.  Some people don&#039;t support it, so there&#039;s nothing they will do and that&#039;s &quot;all they can do.&quot;  

Maybe someone else knows why the church picked the gay issue over many other issues they could have picked.  Have you heard anything?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#31</p>
<p>Jay,</p>
<p>You bring up an excellent point about the other sins such as fornication, etc. that the church doesn&#8217;t get politically involved with and why they pick the gay issue, I&#8217;m not sure.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the good thing about free agency though and the point I was trying to make in the post.  For some &#8220;doing all they can do&#8221; to support it is different than others.  Some people don&#8217;t support it, so there&#8217;s nothing they will do and that&#8217;s &#8220;all they can do.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Maybe someone else knows why the church picked the gay issue over many other issues they could have picked.  Have you heard anything?</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ama49,

Gays already marry (in some instances) and raise children in our society.  This hasn&#039;t made anyone more immoral than they may have already been.  In fact adopted children have found good homes where they are cared for and loved by committed gay couples.  It is much more important for those that believe a marriage between a man and a woman is the ideal situation to simply live what they believe and let others live what they believe.  Passing laws to exclude people because of something they can&#039;t help is wrong.  If Christian families believe strongly in man/woman marriage, they should teach their children what they believe is right and not worry so much if their neighbor is doing it.  Our responsibility is our family not other people&#039;s families.  

If it is a matter of society affecting our families that is a valid concern, but why is this issue so much more important than others.  What about rampant fornication between heterosexual couples?  This is much more pervasive and in your face than homosexuality is (TV shows, commercials, friends, family).  

A rational person would admit that our society is not going to become gay because we allow homosexual marriage.  No mater how hard I try I will never be attracted to a man, the thought disgusts me.  However, the exact opposite is true for many gay men.  Their numbers will always be in the minority and I can&#039;t see why Christians should be afraid that they will negatively influence their families if they are are actively involved with their children.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ama49,</p>
<p>Gays already marry (in some instances) and raise children in our society.  This hasn&#8217;t made anyone more immoral than they may have already been.  In fact adopted children have found good homes where they are cared for and loved by committed gay couples.  It is much more important for those that believe a marriage between a man and a woman is the ideal situation to simply live what they believe and let others live what they believe.  Passing laws to exclude people because of something they can&#8217;t help is wrong.  If Christian families believe strongly in man/woman marriage, they should teach their children what they believe is right and not worry so much if their neighbor is doing it.  Our responsibility is our family not other people&#8217;s families.  </p>
<p>If it is a matter of society affecting our families that is a valid concern, but why is this issue so much more important than others.  What about rampant fornication between heterosexual couples?  This is much more pervasive and in your face than homosexuality is (TV shows, commercials, friends, family).  </p>
<p>A rational person would admit that our society is not going to become gay because we allow homosexual marriage.  No mater how hard I try I will never be attracted to a man, the thought disgusts me.  However, the exact opposite is true for many gay men.  Their numbers will always be in the minority and I can&#8217;t see why Christians should be afraid that they will negatively influence their families if they are are actively involved with their children.</p>
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		<title>By: ama49</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ama49]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#26 Jay

I can definitely see your point and you have a valid argument.  I think that most people who believe in banning gay marriage say it affects society in that there in theory would be no society if everyone was gay.  Granted people who are gay are a very small percentage of the population, but that&#039;s the theory anyways.

This leads to the question: what do you think would happen if we allowed gay&#039;s to marry and raise kids?  How do you think that would affect society?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#26 Jay</p>
<p>I can definitely see your point and you have a valid argument.  I think that most people who believe in banning gay marriage say it affects society in that there in theory would be no society if everyone was gay.  Granted people who are gay are a very small percentage of the population, but that&#8217;s the theory anyways.</p>
<p>This leads to the question: what do you think would happen if we allowed gay&#8217;s to marry and raise kids?  How do you think that would affect society?</p>
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		<title>By: jack</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#13, Cassie,

You make an excellent point.  I am in agreement with you.  This is an issue of what rights does a person have as a citizen of the United States.  Contrary to popular belief, the US is not a Christian nation, but a nation that allows us to be Christians or Buddhists or Muslims or LDS--even FLDS.  So, it&#039;s difficult to make this issue a religious issue.  I think the real question is: &quot;Can we legislate morality?&quot;  Now, before anyone tries to equate this issue with issues such as abortion, abortion is murder, which is already against the law.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#13, Cassie,</p>
<p>You make an excellent point.  I am in agreement with you.  This is an issue of what rights does a person have as a citizen of the United States.  Contrary to popular belief, the US is not a Christian nation, but a nation that allows us to be Christians or Buddhists or Muslims or LDS&#8211;even FLDS.  So, it&#8217;s difficult to make this issue a religious issue.  I think the real question is: &#8220;Can we legislate morality?&#8221;  Now, before anyone tries to equate this issue with issues such as abortion, abortion is murder, which is already against the law.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Again, I don&#039;t see where the problem is.  Scriptural precedent was used to justify blacks not having the priesthood also.  We eventually tossed that false doctrine off.  Who&#039;s to say homosexuality isn&#039;t the same thing?  Many homosexuals do not chose to be gay, they are simply born that way and to call them sinners is the same as calling blacks unworthy of the priesthood.  They can&#039;t change their black skin and homosexuals can&#039;t change how they feel about the opposite sex.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, I don&#8217;t see where the problem is.  Scriptural precedent was used to justify blacks not having the priesthood also.  We eventually tossed that false doctrine off.  Who&#8217;s to say homosexuality isn&#8217;t the same thing?  Many homosexuals do not chose to be gay, they are simply born that way and to call them sinners is the same as calling blacks unworthy of the priesthood.  They can&#8217;t change their black skin and homosexuals can&#8217;t change how they feel about the opposite sex.</p>
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		<title>By: Arielle</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Arielle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I definitely believe that the saints should stick up for what we believe in- doing everything in our power to let the World know that Homosexuality is NOT correct and there should Never be a &quot;Gay Marriage&quot;! The people of our church need to have a little more courage and do something about this problem!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely believe that the saints should stick up for what we believe in- doing everything in our power to let the World know that Homosexuality is NOT correct and there should Never be a &#8220;Gay Marriage&#8221;! The people of our church need to have a little more courage and do something about this problem!</p>
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